The most complicated and inherently tenacious problem in large parts of the Globe is the question of “who owns what piece of real estate.” University departments have been founded just to find its solutions; hundreds of western movies have been filmed with that very problem as their theme; and, more importantly, it causes far too many wars.
Yet, at the local level, responses can often be practical and exact. For example, a Peruvian extension agent who attended a Dutch conference on the subject was asked how he solved the problem—how he knew which parcel of land belonged to which farmer. The agent answered simply that when a different dog barks he knows that he has crossed from the property of one owner to the property of another.
This is not how the early folk in our country divided up the lands previously “settled” by even earlier folk who couldn’t solve the problem either. What our forefathers did was declare a clean slate with no ownership but by the government and then let those who could work the land mark off a chunk and legally claim it as their own. The way the piece of land was officially described by the surveyor guy was by use of something called “Metes and Bounds.”

George Washington: Official Land Surveyor for Culpepper County, Virginia. (Chessman/Trumbell; Clements Library, University of Michigan)
Osbourne Russell—a favorite mountain man of Forrest Fenn—after he lost an eye (Osbourne Russell I mean), decided to become a farmer and on October 23, 1845 he recorded a land claim in Oregon Territory. The description by the land surveyor says the following: “… situate and beginning at a fir tree 3 feet in Diameter, standing 800 yards south west of the falls of the north branch of the Lukamyute river, and blazed on the north and east sides, thence running north 600 yards to the stream, thence crossing said stream and running north 1130 yards to three Oaks each 6 inches Diam—standing together on the side of the Mountain, one blazed on the south and another on the east side—thence running nearly east one mile, to an oak tree two feet in Diam—blazed on the west and south sides, standing on a high ridge—thence south 1200 yds to the stream, thence crossing the stream and running nearly south 560 yds to an Oak tree 12 inches Diam standing on the side of a ridge, and blazed on the north & west sides—thence west to the place of beginning…”
You get the idea. These were the “metes.” You start at a certain point, face a given direction, go a certain distance, face a different direction, go a certain distance, etc. until you hit the point where you started. It has to do with direction and distance starting from a known feature like “the falls of the north branch of the Lukamyute River” or, more to the point, “Begin it where warm waters halt.”
In addition, a land claim was described by “bounds,” that is, by the appearance and tenure of the landscape surrounding the land claim. In Osbourne Russell’s case: “…said claim is bounded on the west by Mountaineous forest, on the north by a high spur of Mountain, which divides the waters of the Lukamyute and LeCreole rivers, on the east, north of the stream, by a tract of Prairie Land supposed to be claimed, by Chas Eaten—south of the stream by a tract of prairie claimed and occupied by Adam Brown and on the south by vacant ridgy Land, and spurs of Mountain.”
Now, there is no reason that the piece of land being defined must be 640 acres or 160 acres or 80 acres. It could be six square feet—a piece of land just the right size to hide a brass box 18”x12”x8” full of gold and jewelry; the system of “metes and bounds” would still work. And a method of “direction and distance” from a given point would work equally well to take one to that very same six square feet piece of land in the first place (“If you’ve been wise and found the blaze“).
Anyone who has ever filed a flight plan knows the rudiments of “metes and bounds” even if it is not called that. And Forrest Fenn has filed thousands of flight plans. But did he use some form of “metes and bounds” to give us clues as to where he hid his treasure? I think so…but he did it in an obscure language called “poetry” and in old photographs and other vague imagery. So, between the poem and the other clues hidden in his Memoir, distances and directions are there and a description of the surrounding landscape is there—but all of it is masked by symbol and metaphor.
I wrote this blog post to explain how people in the olden days used direction and distance to locate and mark off bits of land on a much larger landscape and not to suggest that we go looking for Forrest Fenn’s treasure with an early visit to the old homestead of Osbourne Russell and his neighbor to the south—Mr. Brown. But, then again, maybe we should. After all, the poem does say, “…take it in the canyon down … put in below the home of Brown.”
Stay safe,
r/
Nice blog. My husband’s family used to own the town dreissigacker germany…in English that translates to Thirtyacre(our last name). I wonder since we still use the name, if his family still owns it. Hmm, maybe that would mean we’d own 18″ X 12″ of the town LOL.
Told you he was a surveyor. Now we just have to link this to everything else!
I’m afraid you will need to ask Brother Fenn. Just remember that his counting skills are kind of like my spelling skills post Rosy Poesy (See Forrest Fenn Renews His Poetic License).
Since Richard mentioned the olden days lets harken to 1620 when universal land measures first became law in England and America. As you rode your horse into town you had to pass 80 telephone poles in order to reach a mile because they were 1 chain apart, or 66 feet. And each chain had 100 links, if
you wanted to break it down further. Road rights-of-way also were 1 chain wide.
And 80 square chains made a square mile, or 640 acres – and that was 1 section of land.
But if you’d rather count fence posts you had to pass 320 in order to reach a mile because they were a rod apart, or 16.5 feet. And since everyone knew that an acre was 10 square chains (43,560 square feet) it was easy to tell how many acres were in your neighbor’s farm.
Some aspects of those measures are still in use today in the horse racing business because a furlong is 10 chains in length, or 660 feet. You should feel smarter now because that’s so easy.
If you want to apply those important figures into the thrill of the chase I will give you an additional clue. The Treasure chest full of gold and precious jewels is more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe.
Mr.Fenn, Someone has left a short sentence that the box has been found. My question to you is other than the bottle/letter inside do you have a way of knowing, e.g (Like transponder /receiver or pressure switch circuit to alert you if box has been moved?) Just in case the party doesn’t go public with the find you will know to go public via the media to calloff the Chase. Sincerely,Todd
I don’t believe he has put anything near the chest to see if it’s gone, but someone just mentioned that there are trail cameras out in the woods that he might have access to in order to see. Forrest doesn’t read all the blogs and so might not see your question to him. He’s extremely overwhelmed I know with media and people contacting him.
Hi Todd, This is not Mr. Fenn. You will need to go to his web page or e-mail to talk with him although I understand that he is totally swamped with e-mails and comments and phone calls and tv producers and newspaper reporters and probably not available until next Thursday. Besides, he is like me. He would want to know just what a transponder and a pressure switch circuit are. However, after asking that very important question, there is now an IRS agent assigned to your e-mail, your phone is tapped, your movements watched and your bank account measured. Did you not plan on telling the IRS that you found it if and when you find it?
Love the hint Forrest. More than 1,000 feet north of Santa Fe!
Okay, so it’s really just over 8 miles, but still.
12 miles, if you use engineers chain….
My math skills definitely lack many of the right answers…but was thinking…100 links is 66 feet…. 66000 links is 660 feet north of Santa Fe?That’s not very far.
100 links = 1 chain
66,000 links = 660 chains (66,000 ÷ 100)
1 chain = 66 feet
660 chains = 43560 feet (660 x 66) = 8.25 miles
So. . . according to Forrwst’s, the treasure is greater than 8.25 statute miles north of Santa Fe. This explanation in no way endorses the claim.
Ah, but that’s only true for surveyors / Gunter’s Chain.
Use Engineer’s chain (1 link= 1 foot) (52.8=1mile) and it’s over 12 miles.
-mapsmith
Let me give a taste of what I’ve come up with. From the poem… Where the warm waters end is Glenwood Springs, CO. Follow the canyon down (Roaring Fork River or HWY 82 – too far too walk) which will take you to just south of Leadville, CO. The “home of Brown” is the birth home of Molly Brown in Leadville, CO. This is due north of Sante Fe. It fits with other clues in the poem which I am still working out and am not ready to reveal.
Are you sure Molly was born in Leadville? Try Missouri. However she lived there when J.J. hit the motherlode.
You are correct. Lived there, not born there. My error.
Molly Brown’s Denver home is now a museum. She and J.J. lived in an Irish settlement just east outside Leadville called Stumptown. They lived on a hill just above the town. The tavern caught fire and destroyed two more bldgs. in Stumptown right below where they lived. The fire almost took the whole town.
Molly Brown was a Titanic survivor from the UK..
I have been there doesn’t work out..
has anyone found the treasure yet???
2-28-2013
Go to the comment by Yoshan at the end of the post, “Boojums and Belly Plants” or Dave’s comment at the end of the post “Forrest Fenn: Land Surveyor” or Brian’s comment at the end of “More Clues from Forrest Fenn Create Chaos among the Faithful.”
There is no physical treasure.
I think I have it!
anyone want to work together on this.Get in touch
Hi Dave. Go to the comment by Stella Grace at the bottom of the post “More Clues from Forrest Fenn Create Chaos among the Faithful.”
I think I have a pretty good idea where it is, or at least the general location. The problem is getting there fast enough once winter has ended, and then screening the entire area to search for the gold.
Don’t forget the bug repellent.
The treasure has been found!
How do you know?
Todd, I’m not sure that the Kitten is still around. I have seen comments like his/hers a dozen times from the very first day. They are like taggers that just leave their name with no art. Are you hunting?
Actually, Forrest could make a bundle for charity if he told us what state it’s in…..but not before becoming a well paid spokesman for Holiday Inn, Hilton, United, American, US Air, etc. Then EVERYONE flies to THAT state……and hunts, Forrest makes a jillion “dollers” for charity from his hotel and airline contracts………..and we still don’t find the treasure.
Hi David. Interesting concept. However, those who are the real “searchers” hitchhike to where they want to look and then stay in a tent. They are nothing if not “un-meek.”
Hi. Argus33 here. Take each line of the poem and anytime you see a letter that only appears twice in the line, you use that letter. For example, the first line would provide ” I,H,O,and N. Do this for the whole poem. When you have all of those letters, you arrange them to make the following series of words;
“The treasure is hid in the big canyon north-west of the Brown Ranch. Dig, quick, devils frost shard ford.” with “OHRWDHMHPDDW” remaining.
Your welcome. ; )~
Hi Arg:
I used to have an Argus35. It was so long ago I could sell it as an antique, if I still had it. I tried what you suggested, got six words in and fell off my chair I was so dizzy. Anyway, whatever flosses your teeth. Go for it. You could probably even find a way to stick all those leftovers in with a few misspellings. I meen, Forrest can’t spel wirth a damn.
It’s funny. With the various blogs that I’ve been following, videos I’ve watched, and websites I’ve scoured through about this chase, along with reading Fenn’s poem a humpteen dozen times; one would think that I’d be closer to figuring out where that evasive treasure chest is. lol Not to mention how many places that I’ve looked at on Google Maps almost with a fine tooth comb. lol Now if only I could afford to get the book (and maybe get the chance to pick Forrest’s brain a bit)… lol
By the way, I’ve really enjoyed following your blog, Saunier. 🙂
people claim it’s in salt lake city
Well, technically…But nowadays, we know that it’s not in Nevada, nor Utah, nor Idaho, nor in an outhouse, nor at a dam site, Nora searcher that goes by the tag of Project Why…
‘Bout the only thing that I know for sure is that Richard has always been my all-time fav-o-rite blogger on the chase, and ChaseChat my favorite blog site.
I hope that your recovery progress is going as well as can be expected, Richard!
I think the treasure is near the dry Cimarron river or Leadville colorado
It occurs to me, after reading this post, that
the blaze isn’t there yet. It waits for a certain time and action.
….dang. I just figured out EXACTLY what the blaze is. It’s a red handkerchief. …
New to all of this. Already I’ve been sucked in. Your blog is great, and I think this post is probably the best way to look at it.
Remember… Fenn states that the poem itself contains the clues, that if “followed precisely” will lead you straight there. He does not say, “use this poem, plus dissect my childhood history, my family vacations” etc… the answer is right there. I think people are looking at it all backwards. The answer is staring right back at us. We just cannot see.
I think you are on the right track here, though.
Cheers, Jason
I would carry on the tradition by leaving another treasure somewhere for someone else to find… Gofundme.com/fftreasure
A blaze is also what surveyors used to put on trees to mark section corners quarter corners and center corners. He could have created a blaze on a tree right above the chest.
He has, It’s a bell..So hear me all and listen well..
66000 Links is 43560 feet. He spelt his name wrong on the post.Could this figure be the Lattitude 43.560N?, but one of the numbers is incorrect as per his name on the post. It fits with the correct area.
8.25. .. 8.25. .. 8.25. .. I wonder how many of these things I have to add together? ..
QueBrada
Great post. Probably now my all-time non-Fenn favorite.
Are these comments the origin of the supposed clue about it being 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe? I sure hope not. That piece of “information” is tossed around like fact and if this is the origin that is pretty scary–because this couldve been written by anyone. Wow.
The clue was originally given by Forrest in a comment on the Richard Saunier post on April 16, 2012 : ‘The Treasure Chest is more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe’ ..
100 links = 66 feet; 66000 links equals 43560 feet, which equals 8.25 miles ..
Forrest has stated Bronze Beauty “is hidden more than 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe” multiple times since this original comment ..
There is no logical reason to search anyplace south of this 8.25 miles border ..
Hello Mr. Saunier,
I’m late to the party on this blog, but I thoroughly enjoyed what I’ve read so far.
Quick question:
What is your source of Russell’s land claim description in The Oregon Territory? I have Journal of a Trapper, but I don’t think it’s in there.
Any help is much appreciated. And when I find Fenn’s treasure in July 2018, I will add you to my golden list of sources.
Peace,
Allen K
Has anyone thought about if « Begin it where warm waters halt » could mean that the water turns cold instead of actually stopping? Just an idea, I only began looking at this today but I’m intrigued
Looking forward to the day when the treasure appeared
If I wasn’t so dagnabbed dogwood comical about everything I just would not know which way the station wagon points Or how to put my Cherokeeoneer in 4WD ..
Brad
Having read this I thought it was really enlightening. I appreciate you finding the time and effort to put this short article together. I once again find myself spending way too much time both reading and leaving comments. But so what, it was still worthwhile!
It is terrible when I have to check the math twice to verify 350,000 other searchers, but one couple drank fish tank cleaner and how many drank bleach? I am going after the hope you put out there.
Hey SiFo. I was once known as Silver Fox. Then I went bald. So… find your old slide rule, Ouija board, dowsing branch, tarot cards, thinking cap, magic wand–even your old swagger stick. Let me know how you do. Good luck. r/
It is downing rods, and already got some. They detect magnetic fields and not water. I left a thread for you on another chat you manage. Don’t you ever speak to me like that again or I will tell you what she told you about me and your family. And MAY THE ODDS BE EVER IN YOUR FAVOR.
This can be used from the blaze at the hide spot to the six square feet of the chest location? I suppose one can use it to find the retrieval spot. A different approach. Wish I saw this blog a long time ago.